9 Mar 2010
Rebecca Bynum
Mark Signorelli's point is that if meme is just another word for idea or concept, then what's the point? Social Darwinists, in fact, constantly talk about genetically transmitted or "innate" beliefs and values. The following is from Mark's essay:
"[F]or instance, in his book The Origins of Virtue, Matt Ridley sums up a discussion of cultural gift-giving practices in the following way:
By creating obligation, the gift is a weapon. But it is only a weapon if there is a sense of obligation in the first place. Gift giving and competetive generosity is not some human invention that shaped our natures; it is a human invention to exploit our pre-existing natures, our innate respect for generosity and disrespect for those who would not share.[21]
Thus, gift-giving practices are shaped by our “innate respect for generosity.” But of course, in the mouth of any Darwinian, “innate” simply means “genetically transmitted.” So what else can this passage possibly imply except that there are genes which bestow a belief upon men, specifically the belief that generosity is admirable and stinginess reproachable? Which implication, obviously, is laughable."
So if a meme is a word, why call a word a meme? If a meme is an idea, why call it a meme and not an idea? If a meme is a value...etc., etc. And besides, words and ideas are not exactly self-replicating for crying out loud. Human beings replicate them - they don't just multiply by themselves, the way genes do.
I also recommend Signorelli's take down of the tit-for-tat game theory toward the end.
9 Mar 2010
Mary Jackson
Yes, I get the point, but I think it's lost on the meme-mongers, whose cult-like devotion mirrors the religiosity they claim to despise.
9 Mar 2010
Rebecca Bynum
My favorite so far:
8 Mar 2010
George
"Breathtaking. Who is this guy? Who did he sleep with to get this published?"
Mary???
9 Mar 2010
Mary Jackson
Who did he sleep with to get this published?
Whom.
10 Mar 2010
stephena55
With some people it's all meme me.
10 Mar 2010
Hugh Fitzgerald
I think I saw a play about this once: Anti Meme.
And I too have a vague memory of sleeping with someone in order to get on this website, but I can't remember who. Can someone help me out?
11 Mar 2010
stephena55
It semes there is too much dememeing of others here, remember we are a teme, folks. The creme of the crop. Easy on the Jim Beme. Rememeber one day you may need to be redemed.